INFO-ATARI16 Digest Wed, 15 Nov 89 Volume 89 : Issue 657 Today's Topics: Booting old RAM TOS from Hard Disk European software purchase procedure from the U.S.A. Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board! General questions (Advertisement) How long is your Atari??? INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 #651 ISOLATION.... Self Modifying code TT's Desktop Interface ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 89 17:07 CET From: FU8861%DB0ZIB21.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Booting old RAM TOS from Hard Disk Hi there? Is it possible to boot an old RAM TOS from hard disc ( ie. put TOS.IMG on some partition and make the ST boot from the partition). Any help appreciated gerd FU8861@db0zib21 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 89 18:24:56 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!acorn!camcon!igp@uunet.uu.net (Ian Phillipps) Subject: European software purchase procedure from the U.S.A. exspes@gdr.bath.ac.uk (P E Smee) writes: >In article <891108.09364408.070835@SFA.CP6> Z4648252@SFAUSTIN.BITNET (Z4648252) writes: >> Many of the European ads offer to sell product internationally >>but don't give the procedure: 1) Do we convert $$$ to European currency? >>2) Is there an airmail option rather than ocean mail? 3) Is there an >>internation reply coupon option? >You should write to them and ask. The answers are (1) probably, (2) >probably, and (3) probably not. Most mail-order places in UK (not necessarily Germany) will take Visa/Mastercard who generally give good exchange rates, and no hassle. -- UUCP: igp@camcon.co.uk | Cambridge Consultants Ltd | Ian Phillipps or: igp@camcon.uucp | Science Park, Milton Road |----------------- Phone: +44 223 420024 | Cambridge CB4 4DW, England | ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 89 15:52:31 GMT From: mailrus!uwm.edu!marque!carroll1!dnewton@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton) Subject: Gadgets by Small - Possible new '030 add-on board! In article <2278@hudson.acc.virginia.edu> gl8f@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes: >In article <23970@cup.portal.com> Xorg@cup.portal.com >(Peter Ted Szymonik [ quoting dave small ]) writes: >> than the ST's 68000. The ST runs at 8 mhz (millions instructions / >> second); we'll go for at least 16 Mhz and possibly more. >Gosh, I don't really remember anymore. Anyway, it isn't 8 million >instructions per second. You mean... my ST isn't an 8-MIPS machine? Oh no. Sadness. -- David L. Newton | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton | The Raging Apostle-- (414) 524-7343 (work) | dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu | for the future-- (414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186 | for the world. "Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 89 14:17:20 GMT From: mcsun!inria!mirsa!modja!colas@uunet.uu.net (Colas Nahaboo) Subject: General questions (Advertisement) In article <30200019@inmet>, hedger@inmet.inmet.com writes: > 4) I am interested in joining a network service. I am interested in programming > the ST, C and MIDI and music stuff. Does anyone have recommendations for > which one to join? I would like one with an ST forum and all that. > Which service do you use? Is it expensive? Tell me what you think. But in another article writes: > Please take the ads somewhere else... Yes, but isn't advertisement from small companies valuable information in this newsgroup. I was looking for Blitz for 1 month but wasn't able to locate it, and this "Ad" (which contained the way to build the cable by oneself) was a very valuable piece of information. Aren't you asking for a kind of an ad with your first question? "Ads" for the TT, STe, Tos 1.4, Spectre... have been posted here for some time now :-) Be tolerant to small buisness on the ST... it benefits the user. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 89 16:00:21 GMT From: ogccse!blake!ramsiri@ucsd.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) Subject: How long is your Atari??? In article <89Nov14.085305est.57530@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes: >Atari has problems, and I accept that the OS of the future is Unix with >But do not leave us in suspense. Come back to the newsgroup some day >and tell us how many Mhz/MIPS LONG your new computer is. I promise that >we will all feel emasticated/emammicated (after all, women are self- >concious about breast size too). > > > David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto I think you mean "emasculated".... unless you are talking about being deprived of chewing. On what, i don't know? Anyhow, I think the main point in all this Atari bashing, and i certainly have been rather indecorous in that department, is a manifestation of frustration with and bitterness towards the Atari COMPANY. Some of us depend on Atari for our livelihood. Some of us have spent x dollars investing in Atari hardware, software and so on with the expectation that the future would be bright and that Atari would provide most of those great products coming out of R & D. Those expectations resulted from an auspicious start with the ST in 1985 and from "talk" about the new and up and coming products. So, it isn't simply the scenerio of a kid and his toys. I keep hearing: " Well, if you don't like Atari, go buy an X..." Tell me, is this the way Atari is going to compete in the the business world? Hell no! If Atari is to compete in the business world, people in business have to be using Atari's. Rather simple. Frankly, our hopes are being dashed and our business sense is telling us it is time to make changes. May just have to buy that "longer" computer after all and masticate on the losses from my Atari investment in hopes that i may someday digest them. -kevin ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 89 09:27:42 PST From: ultra!jimh@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jim Hurley) Subject: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 #651 to: greg@sj.ate.slb.com Subject: append in Atari digest # 651. Well said. The constant bickering lately has been extremely annoying. I save these digests and mail them to a friend. The last few weeks netted over 700 000 bytes with hardly a speck of useful info - just the new ARGV definition. If a fraction of the attention were spent discussing that.... - Jim Hurley Ultra Network Technologies jimh@ultra.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 NOV 89 09:54:46 CST From: Z4648252 Subject: ISOLATION.... No flames, just frustration being expressed.... The only two bookstores in our area have stopped handling Atari magazines. With the exception of this net, there is no other link for me to the outside ST world now. I sure hope you folks in the ST concentrations are not taking your dealers and bookstores which stock ST magazines, etc., for granted. ENJOY! Sure wish that I could... Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| ------------------------------ Date: Wed,15 Nov 89 16:38:32 GMT From: R.D.Chafer%sysc.salford.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK Subject: Self Modifying code >Date: 13 Nov 89 01:12:27 GMT >From: psuvm!sml108@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu >Subject: Self-Modifying Code > >Hi, I am writing an assembly language routine which modifies its own code in >a tight loop in order to avoid having to do a decision statement at every >iteration. Unfortunately, whatever code I am inserting is screwing things up >royally, and although I have checked it fairly throughly, I cannot figure out >what is going on. Question: Is there something screwy about executable and >object files that would disallow self modifying. The block that gets modified >is this: > > lsr.w d3 > bne cont > add.l #8,a0 > move.w #$8000,d3 > cont: nop > >Since branching is relative, one would think it would work, and a dump of >the object file indicates this is so. HELP !!!! > >Scott Le Grand I don't know if this has been answered, but could the 68000's instruction prefetch be causing the problem (The 68010 has a bigger prefetch I believe which would probably cause problems). Instruction prefetch on a 68000 or 68010 is one good reason NOT to write self modifying code. Robert Chafer ========================================================================= From: Robert Chafer Computing Centre Telephone: +44 61 736 5843 x 672 or x7328, University of Salford, Salford M5 4WT UK E-mail: JANET: chafer @ uk.ac.salford.sysc ARPANET: chafer%uk.ac.salford.sysc @ nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk BITNET: chafer%uk.ac.salford.sysc @ uk.ac or chafer%uk.ac.salford.sysc%ukacrl.bitnet @ cunyvm.cuny.edu ------------------------------ Date: 15 Nov 89 15:26:28 GMT From: gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu! romwa@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Royal Ontario Museum) Subject: TT's Desktop Interface According to the November issue of Unix World, the TT Desktop is from Non Standard Logics a company based in France. The desktop is called InDepth and is currently a standard X Window implementation but NSL will be moving towards a OSF/Motif imlementation as well. A picture of a sample desktop is included (see pg 68). Pavneet Arora ...!utgpu!rom!pavneet Royal Ontario Museum 100 Queen's Park Toronto, Ontario M5S 2C6 (416) 586-5626 ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #657 ***************************************** =========================================================================